BFC Weekly Recap: Fake Bank Logins, Widow Fraud, and a $200 Amazon Refund
Key Takeaways
- Unassigned money typically gets spent by accident, whereas assigned money builds a life on purpose.
- Scammers are increasingly using AI and fake bank logins to deceive victims out of millions of dollars through paid search ads.
- If a domestic flight is canceled or significantly delayed by three hours or more, passengers are legally owed a cash refund rather than just a voucher.
- Failing to capture your employer's full 401(k) match means literally leaving free money and substantial compounding interest on the table.
- Be extremely wary of unsolicited checks in the junk mail that disguise home equity loans as personal credit lines, putting your house at risk.
Hosts: Ralph Estep Jr, a licensed public accountant of over 30 years + Juliet, a first-time entrepreneur.
This week was heavy on scams and money habits. Quick recap:
- Three scams to watch: kill switches on subprime auto loans, home equity checks disguised as junk mail, and AI callers targeting new widows and bail-money victims, together costing people millions.
- Two settlements working in your favor: Amazon Prime refunds are jumping to $200, and Amway's own numbers confirm most people lose money on it.
- The real cost of not paying attention: subscriptions run $133 a month higher than people guess, and skipping your 401(k) match means leaving free money behind.
- Big takeaway: unassigned money gets spent by accident, assigned money builds a life on purpose.
- Good to know: kids born 2025 to 2028 get a free $1,000 government account, canceled flights owe you cash not a voucher, and casino ATMs are a trap even at 90% payback.
- Jason stopped by on mortgages, a client's TurboTax story turned into a $10,000 IRS bill, and we closed the week with a poll on who should really pay for Social Security.
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Companies mentioned this week:
- Amway
- Federal Trade Commission
- Amazon
- U.S. Department of Justice
- Cash App
- TurboTax
- Internal Revenue Service
- Moneywise
- U.S. Department of Transportation
- Cato Institute
Frequently Asked Questions
What should I do if I encounter fake bank logins online?
Always bookmark your bank's real login page directly in your browser and avoid clicking on sponsored search ads to access your financial accounts.
Who is eligible for the $200 Amazon Prime refund?
The FTC settlement provides automatic payments starting October 1st for customers who were deceptively signed up for Amazon Prime or faced extreme difficulty canceling the service.
What is a Trump account for newborns?
It is a free government program providing a $1,000 account for babies born between 2025 and 2028, requiring no personal financial contribution to get started.
Are airlines required to give cash refunds for canceled flights?
Yes, under Department of Transportation rules for domestic flights delayed or canceled by three hours or more, you are legally entitled to a cash refund to your original payment method within seven days.
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Speaker BSometime these subprime lenders actually put a device called a starter kill in the vehicle and you have to enter a code every week.
Speaker BSo when you, you have to make a weekly payment, if you don't enter that code, your car won't start.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BSo a lot of these subprime lenders, that's what they were doing, and those folks got sued for those things before as well because they felt like that was predatory.
Speaker BSo basically what they were doing, and I understand it from the standpoint of the lenders, because they're giving people loans who probably don't qualify, who haven't been great with their credit.
Speaker BWhat happened is you would go and make your payment every week and they would give you a code.
Speaker BYou would go out to your car and type that code in your car and would give you another week to drive.
Speaker BSo it's an interesting thing.
Speaker BSo some of that equipment, you know, they overcharge for that equipment and that sort of thing.
Speaker BSo it's a really interesting thing.
Speaker BBut it's all about this subprime market.
Speaker BAnd as the credit tightens up, we start to see more of these subprime lenders coming out and saying, yeah, maybe we took advantage of people in this particular case.
Speaker CMaybe, maybe, yeah, but they're going to.
Speaker BHave to cough up a lot of money or pay or show a lot of these loans were no longer valid loans anymore.
Speaker CVery true, Ralph.
Speaker CAlmway publishes its own official income disclosure.
Speaker CWhat did the typical person actually make?
Speaker BYeah, this is really interesting because as a kid, I remember hearing about, well, you could go sell Amway.
Speaker BAnd that was like this side hustle that you could actually make money for.
Speaker BAnd what's interesting is that people who sign up for this and they were looking for greed, but they kind of been pushed into this.
Speaker BBut the average income, and this is from Amy's own document from 2023 says that the average income was $657.
Speaker BNow, they were telling people, you can make upwards of $40,000.
Speaker CThat's crazy.
Speaker BThat's a huge difference.
Speaker BAnd what the Federal Trade Commission said is most spent more than they got back.
Speaker BThat's the other problem here.
Speaker CLast September, the ofTC Amazon for $2.5 billion over how people signed, got signed up for prime and how hard it was to cancel.
Speaker COn Thursday, the FTC announced the refunds are getting bigger and reaching more people.
Speaker CThe maximum payment goes from $51 to $200, and automatic payments to newly eligible customers start October 1st.
Speaker CSo, Ralph, who is newly eligible.
Speaker BYeah, so basically, what we're talking about here is if you signed up for Amazon prime and you didn't realize you were signing up for because they're a little deceptive in how they do.
Speaker BOh, you want this delivered today?
Speaker BDo you want this delivered for free?
Speaker BYou can sign up for Amazon Prime.
Speaker BSo here's the thing about this settlement.
Speaker BAmazon already knows who they need to pay because they already see who was signed up.
Speaker BSo there's nothing to file here, but it's basically an anti scam warning.
Speaker BBasically what they're saying is that Amazon was charging you for a service.
Speaker BYou didn't realize what you were getting.
Speaker BYou were paying more for it than what they disclosed and it was super hard to cancel it.
Speaker BSo you just kept paying and kept paying 86 doll dollars a month.
Speaker BFor some people, that's what they think they're spending.
Speaker BBut when we did the research, what we found was more like $219 a month.
Speaker BThat's a gap of $133 a month.
Speaker BIf you do the math, that's 15 $96 a year.
Speaker BWhat we're talking about here is how much you're spending in subscriptions for streaming services for other things you have that you just have signed up for.
Speaker BAnd they just happen automatically.
Speaker BYeah, nobody guesses high on this number, but when you guess low, you don't realize it because auto P means nobody ever decides.
Speaker BIt just keeps charging and keeps charging.
Speaker BBecause this is Ralph's truism on this thing.
Speaker BIt's a little bit of a Ralph rant.
Speaker BIf you're not putting in at least what the business is matching, you're leaving money on the table.
Speaker BIt is literally stepping over top of $100 bills.
Speaker BAnd it's.
Speaker BA lot of people don't think about that, but it's a huge one.
Speaker BAnd if you compound that year after year after year, this number grows quickly.
Speaker BSo just make sure you're asking the questions, make sure you're talking to HR, looking at your payroll portal, making sure your 401k is being funded.
Speaker BSometimes you have a bump in the road, you got to get more cash in your pocket.
Speaker BSo maybe you turn off the 401k or you turn down the percentage sometime during the year.
Speaker BGo check that.
Speaker BBecause you still have time to make up the difference, to make sure you're contributing the match.
Speaker BIt might make a little bit leaner paychecks for the next few months, but it's something that's going to pay you in dividends.
Speaker BAnd like we talked about, I waited 20 extra years to get my Retirement funding.
Speaker BAnd even at $500 a month, it cost me a million dollars and what I could have invested.
Speaker BSo that's, that's how this money, how this math and this compound interest really works.
Speaker BYou will not realize where your money's actually going.
Speaker BI have never met a single person that said to me, I bet that I spend this.
Speaker BAnd it was high.
Speaker BIt's never high.
Speaker BIt's always lower than what you expected.
Speaker BThe number one thing I say to them, it's usually not an income problem, it's usually a spending problem.
Speaker BThis is true of individuals and it's true of businesses.
Speaker BIt's where your money is going.
Speaker BThis is the big takeaway for today.
Speaker BIf you don't hear anything else I say, unassigned money usually gets spent by accident.
Speaker BIf your money doesn't have an assignment, it's going to get spent, it's just going to go away.
Speaker BYou're going to be like, what happened to my money?
Speaker BAssigned money builds a life on purpose, but you can't give a dollar a job if you haven't counted it yet.
Speaker BIf you want to become financially confident, you've got to know where your money is going.
Speaker BThis is real work.
Speaker BHere's my promise to you.
Speaker BIf you put in the real work, you will get real benefits from these things and they will happen quicker than you think.
Speaker BI dieted most years of my life.
Speaker BI've been on this diet and that diet and what they call it, the yo yo budgets work the same way.
Speaker BI know why most of my diets have failed now.
Speaker BI've been in great shape.
Speaker BI'm in a great place right now.
Speaker BI'm down £200 and I've kept it off.
Speaker BFor me, it's been almost a year.
Speaker BThat is the best I've ever done.
Speaker BWell, the way I finally did that was not say, Ralph, you can't do this, and you can't do this, and you can't do this, and you can't do this.
Speaker BBecause that restriction is what fought me for so many years, why I struggled with that.
Speaker BSo when I built this dollar job frame, the whole point of what's my dream, what can I do?
Speaker BWhat can I choose to do?
Speaker BAnd that's why you've got to build joy into this, build that entertainment, build those hobbies.
Speaker BNow, again, if you're in that survival, stability, future mode, you might have a very small amount that you can put in the joy.
Speaker CRalph, some of our listeners may have gotten check in the mail for money they never asked to borrow.
Speaker CIt looks like Free money, but it could actually be a loan that uses your home as security.
Speaker CSo that's dangerous.
Speaker CWhat happens if, if they sign that check?
Speaker BYeah, this is one of those junk mail things that a lot of people aren't aware about.
Speaker BWhat this basically is, it's a home equity loan that you're basically signing by signing this check.
Speaker BIt's a big deal because you're putting your home on the line.
Speaker BI think that's the thing we need to understand.
Speaker BBut it's one of those things where if you're not paying attention, you might think it's just a personal loan or some kind of line of credit that isn't attached to your home.
Speaker BBut that's the sinister part of this.
Speaker BSo here's my direction on this one.
Speaker BGo find that pile of mail that you were about to throw out.
Speaker BBut.
Speaker BBut if there's a check in there that you didn't apply for, shred it.
Speaker BDon't just toss it because it might have some personal information.
Speaker BAnother thing you can do is you can dial this number, 1-888-5-5, opt out.
Speaker BAgain, it's 1-888-5- opt out.
Speaker BAnd that gets your name off these mailing lists for good.
Speaker BAnd again, like I said, Maryland had Senate bill number 582, which is banning unsolicited secure checks, effective on October 1st.
Speaker BThat's actually a Maryland statute, and if you do it in Maryland, it's going to be a misdemeanor, and they can charge the person up to 500 for the mailer.
Speaker BSo this is an area, again, this is buyer beware or signer beware.
Speaker BJust pay attention to your junk mail because that stuff might need to be shredded.
Speaker BSo there's a, there's a thousand dollars, $1,000 that the government will put in your kid's name.
Speaker CIs the thing that you're talking about a Trump account?
Speaker BIt absolutely is.
Speaker BAnd my grandson Carson is the beneficiary of this because he was born in 2026.
Speaker BI want to remind the audience, if you have a child that was born in 25, 26, 27 or 28, my son and my grandson are beneficiaries of this.
Speaker BIt's a beautiful program.
Speaker BIt's free.
Speaker BIt is absolutely cost you nothing.
Speaker BAll you've got to do is set up the account.
Speaker BI've talked about this on the show before.
Speaker BIt's free money, and it's for any baby born 25 to 28.
Speaker BSo once July 1 came, my son said, you know what, dad, I'm going to go enroll him in this.
Speaker BSo if you've got a child born in 20, 25 or later, you can do this right now.
Speaker BYou go to trumpaccounts.gov and you open the account so that the government will put the money in that.
Speaker BHere's the best part of it.
Speaker BYou don't have to put a dime of your own money.
Speaker BGet that seed going.
Speaker BMy grandfather used to take me to the dump when we were kids.
Speaker BLike, we would do a project around the yard, and he would take me to the dump.
Speaker BNow, Julie, this is no lie.
Speaker BMy grandfather.
Speaker BSo the way it works is you load up your truck and you drive to the dump, and they've got this scale as you go in.
Speaker BBut here's the problem.
Speaker BMy grandfather would go find stuff at the dump.
Speaker BSo he'd look around and be like, oh, I could use that.
Speaker BMy grandfather was a tinkerer.
Speaker BSo this one day, he takes me to the dump.
Speaker BJulie, this is no lie.
Speaker BWe go in, they weigh us.
Speaker BSo we leave the dump.
Speaker BAnd the guy in a little booth, it says, I'm gonna go ahead and weigh it now.
Speaker BAnd he looks at my grandfather and he goes, sir, I think our scale's broken.
Speaker BAnd my grandfather's chuckling the whole time.
Speaker BHe's gone.
Speaker BHe goes.
Speaker BAnd my grandfather says to me, he goes, watch this.
Speaker BThey had to pay him because he took money from the dump.
Speaker BHe took more weight out of the dump than what he took in.
Speaker BSo the law was they had to pay him the difference.
Speaker BSo here.
Speaker BSo it's.
Speaker BIt reminded me of the swap meet thing because basically he went into it with the idea of getting rid of stuff, but he came back with more.
Speaker BAnd of course, my grandmother was not happy about.
Speaker CAbout that.
Speaker BHave you ever been at the airport, you're sitting there waiting for your domestic flight, and you hear that dreaded thing come across the loudspeaker.
Speaker BFlight number 1234 to Tucson, Arizona, has been canceled.
Speaker BDo you know that the airline is supposed to pay you cash, not just offer you a voucher when this happens?
Speaker BBut here's the deal.
Speaker BIf they've canceled your flight or if there's a big delay, you don't have to accept a voucher.
Speaker BYou can ask for it by name.
Speaker BWant a actual refund if the airline cancels your flight or delays it three hours or more on a domestic trip, that's the key.
Speaker BDomestic, you're owed a cash refund to your original payment method.
Speaker BNot a voucher, not a credit.
Speaker BSo here's what you say.
Speaker BYou be bold and say, I want the Automatic refund.
Speaker BAnd they have to put that on the card that has to land within your account within seven days.
Speaker BThis is all Department of Transportation rules.
Speaker BAgain, it's a significant change or delay of three hours or more for a domestic flight, six hours or more for international flight.
Speaker BThis is a big deal and a lot of people don't know.
Speaker BNow there is a refund window.
Speaker BThey've got seven days to put it on on your card.
Speaker B20 Calendar days for other K. Do you come from a place where you were made to feel like spending money on yourself or doing things that weren't the routine was sort of like a no.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BDo you come from a place like that entirely?
Speaker AIt's just I'm very used to not always having money.
Speaker ASo when I did have it or when I do have it and I see something that I'm like, oh, well, I didn't have money for that before, but I have it now.
Speaker AIt's like, that's what's on my mind.
Speaker AI want to get that.
Speaker AAnd then after I get it, I'm like, oh, well, I probably shouldn't have done that.
Speaker CI relate so hard.
Speaker BMe too.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BAnd I'll share a story here on the show.
Speaker BMy parents split up when I was 8 and I lived in a very warped situation.
Speaker BMy dad was very wealthy.
Speaker BStill is very wealthy.
Speaker BMy mom wasn't so much.
Speaker BAnd listen, I'm not bad mouthing my mother, but there were times when I felt like.
Speaker BLike we were so restricted.
Speaker BAnd K, maybe that's what you're feeling too.
Speaker BI just want to say something to you.
Speaker BKay.
Speaker BIt's okay.
Speaker BIt's okay to make mistakes.
Speaker BIt's okay to learn from this.
Speaker BThe whole point of this show is to help you make a better decisions.
Speaker BOn September 8, the Justice Department announced that it extradited.
Speaker BListen this.
Speaker BIt extradited a man.
Speaker BIt says to help run fake login pages.
Speaker BSo people found these pages through paid ads.
Speaker BSo Google was being paid to put these ads or sitting right at the top of the search results.
Speaker BAnd more than 5,000 usernames and passwords were typed into pages that looked exactly like the real bank.
Speaker BThis is the.
Speaker BOne of the things about AI when you have 5,100 account takeover complaints, $262 million lost since last January.
Speaker CThat's crazy.
Speaker BThat's a big deal.
Speaker BSo here's your do for today.
Speaker BBookmark your bank's real login.
Speaker BYou can put it right into whichever browser you use.
Speaker BThis way you don't go in there and type into like I said, the Google, and use that.
Speaker BAnd never log in from an ad.
Speaker BThis is just one of those things.
Speaker BIf you can avoid it, it's always a better thing to do.
Speaker BThe newest scam, and this one's hard to hear, people are calling from within prisons and asking you to pay bail for somebody on the outside.
Speaker BThey look up who just got arrested, which is a public record, and they call the family member pretending to be a bail bondsman or a court program, and say, pay now, and your son gets out.
Speaker BOne man, listen to this.
Speaker BOne man sent $12,000 through the cash app.
Speaker BThrough the Cash app.
Speaker BAnd here's the thing you gotta understand.
Speaker BNo real agency is going to allow you to release somebody money by phone.
Speaker BThey're not going to allow you to do it with a gift card.
Speaker BThey're not gonna allow you to do it with a payment app, and they're certainly not gonna allow you to do it with cryptocurrency.
Speaker BBut here, if you get this call, hang up the call.
Speaker BAnd if somebody really was just arrested, call the jail on the number from its official website and pay only in person.
Speaker BA typical day would start like this.
Speaker BThey'd go to the ATM machine, they'd take $500 out at the casino, then they would take another 500 out.
Speaker BThen they would take another 500 out, and then they would leave, and they go to a gas station down the road and take 300 out, and then they take 200 out.
Speaker BAnd I asked him one time, I said, explain this to me.
Speaker BWell, you know, we were getting money out of the ATM at the casino, but we thought maybe if we get money from over here, it'll be lucky money.
Speaker BAnd because we actually left, we came back, and it's like, you know, and then what would happen is they'd be so far down, they'd be down $1,500.
Speaker BAnd then they said, well, we'll just take $200 more.
Speaker BAnd then now they're down $1,700.
Speaker BOh, I'm just gonna take $100 more, because if I win, I win all my money back.
Speaker BA lot of people don't know this, but casinos, the casino payout percentages is.
Speaker CReally low, isn't it?
Speaker BIt's like 90%.
Speaker BWhen you look at most gaming regulations by the state, and this is where you have to be careful.
Speaker BGambled on the first dollar, the payback's like 90%.
Speaker BBut then when you put the second dollar in, it goes down and down and down.
Speaker BLook, if you're in a casino gambling, the Odds are stacked against you.
Speaker BThis is an actual story that happened to a client of mine.
Speaker BHusband and wife got a little baby with them.
Speaker BThey sit down in front of me and they show me this IRS notice.
Speaker BAnd the IRS was asking for $10,000.
Speaker BAnd I said, okay, did you file the return?
Speaker BThey said, oh, yeah, we filed the return.
Speaker BWe used TurboTax, and TurboTax actually got us the biggest refund we've ever gotten.
Speaker BRalph.
Speaker BWe got an $8,000 refund.
Speaker BSo here's what happened.
Speaker BTurboTax talked them into deductions they didn't deserve.
Speaker BAnd instead of getting an $8,000 refund, which they got, the IRS sent them a bill for 10 grand.
Speaker BBecause here's the thing, they had to pay back the 8,000 they got in error and they owe 2,000.
Speaker BLike the guy said, we usually owe around $2,000.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo this is a big deal.
Speaker BAbout 45% of returns this year were self prepared.
Speaker BThat means the person prepared them themselves.
Speaker BAnd the interesting thing is many of those filers aren't sure they got it right.
Speaker BScammers are mining obituaries to target widows.
Speaker BScammers are using AI to read obituaries and they're calling new widows claiming the late husband owed taxes and that they have to pay now to protect the inheritance.
Speaker BBut this is the problem with AI tools.
Speaker BThese AI tools can go crunch all this data all over the place and give these people.
Speaker BAnd you know, here's an example.
Speaker BMoney Wise said on an article they wrote on August 24th, one widow sent $7,000.
Speaker COh, no, she sent money.
Speaker BYeah, she said money because she thought that something was going on.
Speaker BOlder Americans in 2025 lost $7.7 billion.
Speaker BThat's billion with a B to Internet crime.
Speaker BThat's up 59% from 2020.
Speaker BThe average case, average loss, $38,500.
Speaker CThey're trying to manipulate emotionally and taking advantage.
Speaker CAnd so it's always going to be gross.
Speaker CBut this one is gross on a definitely a different level to me.
Speaker BYeah, this is a big deal.
Speaker BSo here's my takeaway for this one.
Speaker BIf you get one of these calls, hang up on any unsolicited call about a deceased relative, taxes or estate, call back using a number that you look up yourself, not the one that somebody gives you.
Speaker BAnd that's the unfortunate part of this.
Speaker BSo many times people are very trusting.
Speaker BAnd this is going to sound like I'm being sort of age discriminatory, but older people a lot of times are really trusting.
Speaker DI have a question, though.
Speaker DI Have a valid question here.
Speaker BSure, sure.
Speaker DAre you of the opinion that is it.
Speaker DIs it better to take the lower pay now?
Speaker DBecause you don't know how long you will.
Speaker DYou'll be here and.
Speaker DAnd, you know, is there some merit in, hey, let's just get that lower amount of money right now?
Speaker DBecause you can never get that money back that you don't take by waiting to get a few hundred extra bucks down the road.
Speaker CPsychology.
Speaker DWhat's the answer to that?
Speaker BWell, I'll tell you this.
Speaker BWhen a client asks me that question, I get that question at least ten times a week.
Speaker BTo be blunt, is I say to them, hold on a second, let me get my crystal ball out of the drawer, and I put my crystal ball on the desk because it's really that simple.
Speaker BMost of the time, what I say to people is, tell me about the genetics in your family.
Speaker BTell me about how long your mother lived.
Speaker BTell me about how long your father lived.
Speaker BTell me about your current health situation.
Speaker BIf I've got somebody that's staggered into my office with stage two cancer and they're like, ralph, should I take my Social Security early?
Speaker BI hate to be disrespectful, but yes, probably.
Speaker BSo it all depends on the individual circumstance.
Speaker BYou're not going to go watch a TikTok video.
Speaker BYou're not going to watch a YouTube video and get an answer to this.
Speaker BAnd that's the thing that's really so scary, is so many people are getting their advice by the accountant named TikTok or the account named Claude or ChatGPT.
Speaker DEvery eighth of a percent, which is 0.125%, is only 16amonth for every $100,000 you borrow.
Speaker DYou can challenge me on it.
Speaker DGet a mortgage calculator and put it in.
Speaker DAll right.
Speaker DRight now, if your interest rate is 6.875% or seven and a quarter, every $25,000 you borrow is going to be about 175 bucks per month in your payment.
Speaker DOkay?
Speaker DSo if.
Speaker DIf the consumer just has the philosophy of date the rate.
Speaker DOkay?
Speaker CDate the rate.
Speaker CIs that what you said?
Speaker DDate the rate and date the payment right now.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker DWe can't control what we can't control.
Speaker CExactly.
Speaker DWe can't control what's going on in the world, okay?
Speaker DBut we know that conflict comes and goes.
Speaker DWe know that oil prices come and go, but, you know, if you just love your neighbor, love your family, and just go on and treat.
Speaker DTreat your loved ones with respect and just move on, okay?
Speaker DWe just can't.
Speaker DDon't get lost in the noise.
Speaker DIgnore the noise, all right?
Speaker DJust.
Speaker DJust find the home that you love.
Speaker DMove into the place that you want and find it.
Speaker DDon't lose opportunity by sitting around and just waiting.
Speaker DBecause opportunity is going to go like this.
Speaker DBoom, boom.
Speaker DOkay?
Speaker DIf you sit and wait for the rate to come up, you're going to lose.
Speaker BA new poll shows that 89% of people over 65 would rather raise taxes on younger workers than touch their own Social Security.
Speaker BAnd younger people see it almost the opposite way.
Speaker BNow, I'm not shocked by that, but the Cato Institute put out a survey.
Speaker BThis is all money wise.
Speaker BOn September 16, it said 89% of those 65 and older said that, hey, just raise taxes on younger people.
Speaker BAnd of course, if you look at Those in the 18 to 29 frame, only 47% said that this is a big deal because the people who are older, and I get it, like they're collecting Social Security.
Speaker BSo their point now is I'll just push it on the younger people, push it on the younger people.
Speaker BBut it's almost like we're getting into this position of revolt right now where the younger people are saying, yeah, well, guess what, maybe we need to trim the.
Speaker BThe roles of Social Security.
Speaker BI think this is one of the things you're going to see talked about a lot over the next year to, to two years, because the Social Security system is going broke.
Speaker BIt's just a true statement.
Speaker BAnd they're going to have to figure out something.
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